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    Welcome back, JAZ........and nope, I'm not a "plant". (If I am, where's my pay??? LOL). Seriously, I've never heard of any liberal or Democratic "plants"......and I think probably that's primarily because we don't really need them. Since a majority of the country believes in and supports most of the so-called "liberal" viewpoints and policies- we just don't need to bother with "planting" people to promote them. Not to mention that it's dishonest and underhanded.
    I don't think that bigeasy is a "plant".....and I said so. But I would feel more sure about that if he would just say so. As sandybel said, the right has been known to utilize this method of disseminating their propaganda...and trying to make the public think that it's much more popular than it really is.
    Anyways- back to the subjest at hand- global warming. Do you think all these highly respected and accreditted scientists on the IPCC are trying to run a scam for financial gain? You don't find it even somewhat convincing that yes, the vast majority of them all believe that global warming is real, it's here, it's primarily man-made....and it's going to have dire repercussions? I'm not sure how you can just ignore the cream of the crop of world scientists like that!
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    Re: Let's see the Al Gore/ Global people refute these facts

    here is a series of articles you might be interested in reading

    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...d-f181196a6d71

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    "In the global warming debate, there are essentially two broad camps. One believes that the science is settled, that global warming is serious and man-made, and that urgent action must be taken to mitigate or prevent a future calamity"

    JAZ, I don't need to read further- because any article that starts out with this patently false myth- that there are two equally large "sides" of the global warming issue- is biased from the get-go.
    This was documented as the fossil fuel industry's plan of attack, so-to-speak; that they would attempt to muddy the debate and nullify the overwhelming consensus among scientists by promoting the lie that it's even in question.
    There just isn't any real question anymore that global warming is real, it's here, and man's activities have greatly exacerbated it. To pretend that there is the same consensus and credibility among those who want to deny the truth is just disengenuous.
    The whole motivation is to stop any action, stifle any public policy to address it, and hopefully keep the public from being sufficiently alarmed and concerned so as to demand action. They have been very successful......so far........at doing this.
    But I think the truth will become overwhelmingly (and painfully) obvious- more all the time.

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    Re: Let's see the Al Gore/ Global people refute these facts

    Ok, dont read them all.... just this one....

    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/s...de085af353&k=0

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    Yep, I've read stuff from Dr. Lindzen before. He's the poster child for the denialists.
    The problem is..........for every Dr. Lindzen out there- there are a thousand equally credible scientists saying the opposite.
    And somehow I just don't think they are all conspiring in some grand scheme to hoodwink the public and get rich.

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    Re: Let's see the Al Gore/ Global people refute these facts

    were there not thousands of scientists at one time saying the earth was flat and anyone who decented was a "crackpot"? How's about the ones who said,an atom is the smallest thing anyone who thinks you can split an atom is insane? the earth is the centre of the solar system.... should i go on. we know for a fact (according to all science) that the earth has gone through cooling and warming periods long before man came along, and it will long after we are gone. The problem with people is, we think we are more important in the grand scheme then we really are. what makes more sense, people burning fossle fuels are changing the weather, or solar activity and gama rays are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridrfan View Post
    were there not thousands of scientists at one time saying the earth was flat and anyone who decented was a "crackpot"? How's about the ones who said,an atom is the smallest thing anyone who thinks you can split an atom is insane? the earth is the centre of the solar system.... should i go on. we know for a fact (according to all science) that the earth has gone through cooling and warming periods long before man came along, and it will long after we are gone. The problem with people is, we think we are more important in the grand scheme then we really are. what makes more sense, people burning fossle fuels are changing the weather, or solar activity and gama rays are?
    It appears that no, we can't just blame this rapid rise in global warming on solar rays. I would generally agree with you that man thinks he is more important than he really is- the earth will no doubt go on as it has, whether or not our culture will. But that hardly negates the impact our activities surely do have on our environment.

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    July 2-9, 2007 issue - When 600 climate scientists from 40 countries reported in February that there was, for the first time, "unequivocal" evidence that the world is warming and greater than 90 percent certainty that man-made greenhouse gases have caused most of the warming since 1950, at least one expert demurred. "We're going to see a big debate on it going forward," said Vice President Dick Cheney. By "it," he meant "the extent to which [the warming] is part of a normal cycle versus the extent to which it's caused by man."
    There is no denying the intuitive appeal of the idea that climate change is natural. After all, local temperatures can rise or fall by 40 degrees from one day to the next; violent storms can barrel in over the course of only minutes. It's little surprise, then, that many laypeople look at much tinier and subtler changes—the 1 degree Fahrenheit increase in global mean temperature since the 1970s, say—and figure those, too, could well be natural. As for 11 of the 12 hottest years on record occurring in the last 12? Well, everyone has experienced a run of statistics-defying weather. Besides, some signs of climate change are undeniably the work of Mother Nature's whims and not man's "addiction" (as President Bush called it) to fossil fuels, at least in part. For instance, glaciers in East Africa, including Mount Kilimanjaro, began shrinking around 1880—well before the greenhouse effect ramped up. And the 1936 heat wave is still the worst many American cities ever experienced, never mind the (globally) record-setting 1990s. No wonder that, in the NEWSWEEK Poll, only 17 percent of those surveyed correctly absolved a hotter sun of responsibility for recent global warming.
    That impression is at odds with the science, however. As the February report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded, greenhouse gases have caused most of the recent warming. "Without greenhouse gases and other [man-made] forcings," says climatologist Gabriele Hegerl of Duke University, an author of the report, "we cannot really explain the observed climate changes."
    Climatologists did not reach that conclusion lightly. They know full well that climate change can arise from any of three basic causes. One is what they call "internal, natural variability" (a fancy name for "s—t happens," climate-wise). Because there is as much randomness in climate as there is in a roulette wheel, droughts and heat waves and killer storms are to be expected, just like a run of evens or reds in Las Vegas. Around 1880, for instance, atmospheric circulation over the Indian Ocean strengthened in such a way that less rain and snow fell on East Africa, including Kilimanjaro, finds glaciologist Stefan Hastenrath of the University of Wisconsin. No one knows why the circulation changed. But the result of this natural hiccup was glacial retreat that has gotten worse through the decades. Changes in the Niño cycle can also reflect internal, natural variability. A second cause of climate change, "natural external forcings," refers to random, or at least hard-to-predict, shifts in outside influences, such as more heat coming from the sun or from Earth's core.

    And then there is the hand of man.

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    Re: Let's see the Al Gore/ Global people refute these facts

    All this crap is nauseating....just go dig a mile long hole in Greenland's glacier and see where 10,000 years ago flowers were growing...

    enough already..sheesh...

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