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  1. #17
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    Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Shooting

    This is exactly what I'm talking about. The conservatives buy this "guns don't kill people, people kill people" narrative and they assume all these problems are because of lack of morality. Conservatives also like to bring on this narrative that Conservatives don't do mass shootings, they have morals, they value life, etc. It's the younger more liberal generations that's the problem. (tack on to that a certain televangelist that is using this incident to fill pews, get people to watch his show, and give him money)
    Robert Dear (thought I would mention another mass-shooter) and Stephen Paddock were in their 50's and 60's. Far from "youth" let alone being "millennial". Robert Dear was a religious person, and unless Stephen Paddock was raised by Beatniks, I would assume Paddock had the usual 1950's/early 60's upbringing which would have included spankings and going to church on Sunday.

    This also brings another question, how could he bring up all this luggage that contained all these guns, ammo, and surveillance equipment without arousing suspicion? Can you imagine what would have happened if he were Black or Muslim?

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    Let's be clear; not all conservatives buy the gun lobby's lines. And not all liberals are anti-gun.

    Too insist, or even just to insinuate otherwise is way too wide a political brush.

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    Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Shooting

    More options for better mental health care was "the solution" I suggested when I started this thread.
    No matter what the situation with guns is...available or not...mentally healthy people do not obtain guns to commit mass homicide.
    The root of the problem needs to be addressed to solve it.

    Again, it is unfortunate that some people can't see the tragedy in the loss of life.
    Instead, they just take the opportunity to make it another issue in their endless litany about something political.
    That won't solve horrible situations like this either.

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    Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Shooting

    Any solution will have to come across a politician's desk and/or have to be discussed in a political forum of some form or another. Politicians are the ones that pass laws, control budgets (including that for mental health care), and do things that promote one stance or another. What needs to be done as far as politics goes is to determine who is doing what.
    If you are expecting the gun industry itself to do something about it, forget it.
    As for mental health services, it has to be done in a way that it helps everyone from the richest to the poorest of the poor. for that, see above.

    If now is not the time to discuss the political ramifications of these tragedies, when is it?
    Last edited by jolau; 10.4.17 at 8:11 PM.

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    Well; the root of the gun control problem is, of course, guns and who has access to them.

    People with certain mental health issues probably should not be allowed to own guns. But then you have to deal with which mental health issues exactly would be precluded. And how do we-the-people determine who is mentally unhealthy? The proposals for AHCA would reduce the already low funding in America for public mental health services; so this again swings this aspect toward being a political issue.

    Attacking it from the root, as you, I believe, correctly suggest, would allow us to consider what guns are unsafe in the general public. We already know that fully automatic weapons are unnecessary for any purpose other than military, and that, in general, they are unsafe in the hands of the general public. So couldn't we at least start there -- say, back to the Bush era ban on assault weapons? What could be wrong with that?

    We do regulate access to things that are unsafe in the wrong hands. No tobacco or alcohol for minors. No commercial flights for unlicensed pilots. No driving for unlicensed drivers.

    Why not no guns for unlicensed owners? Just for starters.

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    Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Let's be clear; not all conservatives buy the gun lobby's lines. And not all liberals are anti-gun.

    Too insist, or even just to insinuate otherwise is way too wide a political brush.
    You have to admit that commenting on crime in Chicago, Detroit, or some other major city and claiming such problems are due to the lack of morality and/or religion is not productive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jolau View Post
    You have to admit that commenting on crime in Chicago, Detroit, or some other major city and claiming such problems are due to the lack of morality and/or religion is not productive.
    Just went back through this thread to make sure, and the only posts that mention places other than Las Vegas were put up by JL. So; not following your point vis this thread.

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    Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Shooting

    Of course, only three people are participating in this thread.

    But outside this thread, outside Coffeerooms, in forums that include a wider range of people participating, you get people like that. Just look at the comments section anytime someone like George Takei, Gavin Newsom, or Kamala Harris post something about gun control on Facebook.

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