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    Class warfare? Something tells me you might win the battle, but not the war.
    It repeats again and again. France, Russia, China, Egypt, Libya, ... The list goes on and on and we MUST prevent such events from happening on American soil.
    Actually, maybe it did since the British were subsidizing the East India Trading Company during the time of the American Revolution. (Including raising taxes on things on say ... tea ... but at the same time not imposing such taxes on tea and other products purchased from the East India Trading Company which potentially would have killed local businesses)
    Once the American people realize they've been reduced to little more than abused peasants, once granny realizes the services she once had are no longer there due to "budget cuts" and/or "privatization" and then told to seek "charity" to make up for what was lost only to realize that they too are financially struggling due to lack of donations, and now she has to seek work, both Granny and the American people will demand justice.
    I hope Granny is working on her resume while you claim you are not tossing granny off the cliff while you slowly push her towards it.

    The equal distribution of wealth amongst the populace may not be the best way to set up a government or an economic system, but neither is concentrating wealth amongst the upper classes at the expense of others.
    Wealth must be constantly changing hands from one person to the next, constantly cycling and recycling. The "Producers" provide jobs to provide income for thier employees, those who have these jobs both make the products for the "Producers" to sell and in turn buy (or encourage others to buy) products from the "Producers" to give them income and wealth. "Producers" and "Consumers" need to be seen as symbiots that benefit the other in some way or another, not "Parasites".
    Some sort of middle ground must be found and maintained. The basic needs of the people must be met. People can't be good capitalists if they are constantly starving or if they are too sick or too old to fully participate in a capitalist system. Economies work best when the basic needs of all people are met. When people get to a point where they can save and/or generate some wealth for themselves is when they reap the rewards of such an economy.
    We need Capitalism as much as we need Socialism to maintain this middle ground.

    We're not going anywhere treating the other side like pariahs. We need to come together and bring the best of our various ideas in order to come up with something that works for everyone.
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    when people with virtually no money at all crawl, lie, and sneak into this country for a chance at any job, that should tell you all you need to know about how we treat poor people in this country... that fact alone makes your fear of some sort of marxist revolution scratch ones head... poor people all around the world would give their left testicle to come here...

    but will you admit that a marxist revolution is something you would welcome in this country?

    calling for fiscal sanity and the saving of our nation the equivalent to pushing granny off the cliff?...wow.. do you realize the party you support has produced NO budget in 2 years? do you realize they are 2 YEARS late?... ever asked yourself why?.. does that sound like responsible governing? ALL those in the know with these destructive programs say they are UNsustainable.. 60 trillion is the tune right now... 500K per household just to sustain the welfare state implemented by the dems... and whose offering solutions to make them solvent? the repubs.. most noticeably ryan dude from WI... and you call it throwing granny off the cliff and sparking a marxist revolution...

    give me a break... good Lord dude...

    utopian seekers like yourself can't have it both ways even though you've been slamming your heads against a brick wall for the last 100 years trying to figure out why it fails time and time again.. capitalism does produce heavy amounts of money concentrated in small pockets but with socialism, misery is spread evenly throughout..

    capitalists are wealth creators who take risks and work hard... if they didn't need employees to expand and make more money, they wouldn't hire anyone.. they would do the work themselves...

    we will always need poor workers and there will always be those at the bottom.. the parasites I refer to are those who don't work and feel they are entitled to the property of others... the politicians who instill this sense of entitlement amongst the population are parasites too IMO..

    sure ...middle ground is cool... we need highways and a military and a govt to enforce common sense laws that make sure the free market is truly working in a free manner..

    but don't forget the "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness"... certainly you don't think that meant that if you gained too much, it was subject to seizure did you? if you don't think now is time to put on the breaks since the welfare state has rung up a 500 million dollar bill for every family, when would you suppose a good time would be? and should the prez be playing golf and taking his 17th vacation or maybe sitting down and talking to the party that had a landslide, historic victory 7 months ago that is actually putting numbers in writing as opposed to being 2 years late in producing ANY numbers at ALL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by big easy View Post
    Texas created 1/2 of all the jobs the entire NATION created during the last 2 years... and Cats wants to attribute that to the weather here?...uhh.. I don't think so...
    Uh, well... seems that Forbes disagrees with you that a good part of TX job growth has to do with a better climate and the reason why some northern companies have gone south:

    http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/h...aces-for-jobs/

    I mean, this is nothing new. It's been somthing happening for awhile where companies are relocating to more temperate climates.

    Still, tho...doesn't help that TX, OK, and other southern states continue the bad rap of ranking at the low end of student education, which some do deserve to some degree.

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    As to Obama being a one term pres...well, it's certainly something the other party has hoped and planned for since day one he took office.

    But the real sadness of all of this is that, even during GW...or before...politicians in Congress only look out for themselves...getting elected and keeping what power they can for their party.

    Just for the fun of it... investigate the investment public holdings of those each of your "tried and true" elected officials and see where their monies are... and often the curtain will be lifted as to why they stand as to big business, big oil, etc., and look out for their investments over what's best for the big picture for the public.

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    where does forbes give Texas' reason for job growth and economic success is due to their weather? where does it say the north has lost jobs due to weather?./... if I missed it, would I be so bold as to say the weather played as much of a roll as the corporate jet tax breaks did on the deficit?... which was 1/10th of 1%?

    here's an exerpt from your article:
    Whatever they are drinking in Texas, other states may want to imbibe. California -- which boasted zero regions in the top 150 -- is a prime example. Indeed, a group of California officials, led by Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, recently trekked to the Lone Star State to learn possible lessons about what drives job creation.Whatever they are drinking in Texas, other states may want to imbibe. California -- which boasted zero regions in the top 150 -- is a prime example. Indeed, a group of California officials, led by Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, recently trekked to the Lone Star State to learn possible lessons about what drives job creation.

    were they on a weather pattern fact finding mission?

    if you only look at the schools that educate primarily LEGAL students, Texas does quite well in education.. it's not fair that these slum schools of illegals with barely no English skills are thrown into the mix...

    Texas still kicks everybody's a$$ despite that huge problem though...

    I'm sure you'll see Obama's porfolio littered with General Electric stuff... they paid no taxes and are getting sweeheart govt paid contracts for green stuff..(stuff that couldn't survive without govt subsidies)...

    try operating a huge capitalistic society without big business and big oil and all the other etc.'s you can think of by the way...

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    when people with virtually no money at all crawl, lie, and sneak into this country for a chance at any job, that should tell you all you need to know about how we treat poor people in this country... that fact alone makes your fear of some sort of marxist revolution scratch ones head... poor people all around the world would give their left testicle to come here...

    but will you admit that a marxist revolution is something you would welcome in this country?

    calling for fiscal sanity and the saving of our nation the equivalent to pushing granny off the cliff?...wow.. do you realize the party you support has produced NO budget in 2 years? do you realize they are 2 YEARS late?... ever asked yourself why?.. does that sound like responsible governing? ALL those in the know with these destructive programs say they are UNsustainable.. 60 trillion is the tune right now... 500K per household just to sustain the welfare state implemented by the dems... and whose offering solutions to make them solvent? the repubs.. most noticeably ryan dude from WI... and you call it throwing granny off the cliff and sparking a marxist revolution...

    give me a break... good Lord dude...

    utopian seekers like yourself can't have it both ways even though you've been slamming your heads against a brick wall for the last 100 years trying to figure out why it fails time and time again.. capitalism does produce heavy amounts of money concentrated in small pockets but with socialism, misery is spread evenly throughout..

    capitalists are wealth creators who take risks and work hard... if they didn't need employees to expand and make more money, they wouldn't hire anyone.. they would do the work themselves...

    we will always need poor workers and there will always be those at the bottom.. the parasites I refer to are those who don't work and feel they are entitled to the property of others... the politicians who instill this sense of entitlement amongst the population are parasites too IMO..

    sure ...middle ground is cool... we need highways and a military and a govt to enforce common sense laws that make sure the free market is truly working in a free manner..

    but don't forget the "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness"... certainly you don't think that meant that if you gained too much, it was subject to seizure did you? if you don't think now is time to put on the breaks since the welfare state has rung up a 500 million dollar bill for every family, when would you suppose a good time would be? and should the prez be playing golf and taking his 17th vacation or maybe sitting down and talking to the party that had a landslide, historic victory 7 months ago that is actually putting numbers in writing as opposed to being 2 years late in producing ANY numbers at ALL?

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    when people with virtually no money at all crawl, lie, and sneak into this country for a chance at any job, that should tell you all you need to know about how we treat poor people in this country...
    we will always need poor workers and there will always be those at the bottom.. the parasites I refer to are those who don't work and feel they are entitled to the property of others...


    They are here to scrub toilets, pick vegetables, clean houses, and many of the other jobs that the normal American would either find "distasteful" or would expect a higher rate of pay than these immigrants would want.
    Mobility will have to be necessary to find employment.
    A liberal from California may have to move to the more conservative South to seek work, or vice-versa. I applaud the day America's melting pot becomes further melted when all races, religions, and social classes in this country move throughout the country to find happiness with ideas, culture, and ways of life and thinking circulating throughout.
    With that being said, those having to move still have to concern themselves with whether or not they will be accepted in thier new environment, and whether or not the money they might earn is worth the move.
    You think some welfare mom from Detroit or a homeless man from San Francisco are going to travel all that way to do that kind of work for that amount of pay?
    They aren't leaving welfare or the streets because the kind of jobs that are available (IE: The ones illegals take) isn't worth the travel. That is why they stay on welfare or continue begging.
    The people that lie cheat and steal thier way into this country move here to take these jobs because noone wants these jobs and thier home countries offer them nothing. Doesn't matter if it's "capitalist" Mexico or Communist Cuba.

    but will you admit that a marxist revolution is something you would welcome in this country?

    I have never said anything like that nor do I welcome a violent Marxist revolution, I welcome a peaceful revolution where the American people realize that if this keeps up, the only things that will have rights in this country will be fetuses and large corporations, and then rise up to keep (and/or regain) the rights they once had and more.
    A peaceful revolution can be something as simple as more Americans voting, telling corporations (or unions for that matter) that thier votes can't be bought, and ensuring those in our government knows who keeps them in thier offices.

    I welcome a happy medium of capitalism and socialism. There may be some sort of income-based social structure in this society but the needs of the least of our people are taken care of and have a chance of success once thier basic needs are met.

    wow.. do you realize the party you support has produced NO budget in 2 years? do you realize they are 2 YEARS late?...
    Maybe it's because the party I support and the president that came from inherited all of our problems from a president from the party you support, and are constantly getting kicked in the nuts in thier mad quest to regain the presidency. Obama's been more than accomodating and you continue to treat him and other Democrats like pariahs. Don't you think that if we were totalitarians of any sort, we would have tolerated such behavior?
    We welcome you with open arms and you act like spoiled children that kick us where it hurts most.
    Plus the Constitution (Article 1. section 8) also puts more responsibility on Congress to determine our budget (including our tax structure) than on the President.
    You promised us jobs but gave us nothing. You had that same seven months to propose a budget that we could all agree on, but no. More tax cuts and subsidies for the wealthy so they can sit around and do nothing.
    And now we ask you, where are the jobs you promised us?

    utopian seekers like yourself can't have it both ways even though you've been slamming your heads against a brick wall for the last 100 years trying to figure out why it fails time and time again.. capitalism does produce heavy amounts of money concentrated in small pockets but with socialism, misery is spread evenly throughout..
    The utopia I seek involves technology not yet invented and regular manned space travel. Until then, I'm going to make due with what is available as well as promote science and education in the hopes that new technology and industries are created as a result and hopefully that dream does come true. That also means corporations need to be involved in this process too, but if they see no profit for it they won't involve themselves. Those new companies that actually develop and use these technologies grow, compete with the older companies, and sometimes the older companies get pushed aside, fall behind, and then close down. Just look at the rivalry of Myspace and Facebook.
    Does that 100 years include the four years of World War 1, eight years of World War 2, the Great Depression, and the rise of both Communism AND Fascism? Europe had to learn those lessons the hard way. The reason why Europe as a more "socialist" structure is BECAUSE of the ravages of war, Fascism, and Communism.
    They realized that the people on the bottom need to be better taken care of. The Europeans realized that the people on the bottom are the ones that start supporting the totalitarians.
    And speaking of having things both ways, you and the party you support seems to also want to combine the economic philosophies of Ayn Rand with the morality of Jesus Christ. They are contradictory philosophies, it's not going to work either. Christ had a philisophy of giving and selflessness, Ayn Rand on the other hand had a philisophy of taking and selfishness.
    And what happens when under unfettered Capitalism, ALL the money is concentrated in these small pockets? Misery will still be evenly spread out everywhere else, just not in these small pockets until the miserable ones direct thier frustration and anger towards those in those pockets. (Remember France? China? Russia?)
    THAT is what I wish to prevent.
    And that also means having a strong middle class capable of making ends meet.
    A strong middle class also means less welfare and more people working and having a taxable income and less burden on our government.
    This also means better quality jobs and an investment in America rather than sending money elsewhere.

    capitalists are wealth creators who take risks and work hard... if they didn't need employees to expand and make more money, they wouldn't hire anyone.. they would do the work themselves...
    No. If they could, they would hire either slaves or robots.
    If they do hire, they don't hire the best nor the brightest, they will still hire the cheapest or the lowest bidders.
    I don't see much risk taking these days, do you? The REAL risk takers would take these risks despite the economy, and it isn't these lazy cowards you call "wealth creators". Wealth hoarders is more like it.
    An enlightened company would ensure a well-paid workforce that are the best and the brightest that also believes in the product they are selling.

    certainly you don't think that meant that if you gained too much, it was subject to seizure did you? if you don't think now is time to put on the breaks since the welfare state has rung up a 500 million dollar bill for every family, when would you suppose a good time would be?
    I've told you before and I'm telling you again. As far as the economy goes, I don't care what you do with your house, car, or other physical property. Saving is good, but there comes a point when saving becomes hoarding. I keep tellng you, in the long term, wealth and resources must be constantly cycling and recycling.
    A wealthy man eventually dies and leaves his fortune to his wife and/or children. They then either spend it until it's gone or use it to create further wealth, but the point is wealth is recycled somehow.
    Corporations on the other hand have the potential to hoarde and store wealth indefinitely. This is NOT the cycling of wealth needed for a functioning economy.

    I am seeing more and more services for the poor and elderly being cut while at the same time the rich get more tax breaks and business subsidies. If it were to be truly effective, the cuts would have to be across the board, not picking and choosing to save your pet projects at the expense of others.
    Plus I wouldn't call gaining the House of Reps. a "landslide", the Senate is still under Democrat control. Not only that but I think Tea Party (and Republican) influence is already on the decline.

    I'm sure you'll see Obama's porfolio littered with General Electric stuff... they paid no taxes and are getting sweeheart govt paid contracts for green stuff..(stuff that couldn't survive without govt subsidies)...
    So, you admit they paid no taxes.
    But in my opinion-
    Paid no taxes: Bad.
    Sweetheart government paid contracts for green stuff: Good. (Helps science and technology progress, and potentially creates good quality jobs in the process)
    Paid no taxes because they had sweetheart government paid contracts for green stuff: I think I can live with that.

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    this is a good place for poor people...you don't have to go off on a 10 minute diatribe on useless multi cultural drivel that evades my point..

    what rights?.. do you have any knowledge of our constitution? do you have any idea how we became the greatest land on earth?

    all you commie libs think about is how we are going to slice up corporate pies and spread to the masses... that is anti american... people have the right to hard their money if they want or they can invest it if they want...

    when people invest, the actually analyze the opportunity to get it back and then some... if they don't see an opportunity to make the money back plus a profit...guess what? they will sit on it until something more promising comes along...

    if you think the repubs alone are the reason for the economic mess, you are mis informed...

    but obama is making it worse.. so are the dems by attacking those that we depend on for jobs.. those we depend on to grow the economy...

    obama is nothing but a commie bitch and accomodates nothing that complains or stands in the way of his communist agenda...

    screw that bastard... killing oil jobs...killing coal jobs.. .raising prices on food, energy and health care... attacking our personal property as if it belongs to him and his commie buddies... porkulas spending going to union pensions while those who fund the govt to pay for the pensions do without...

    you wouldn't know the difference between private sector wealth creation and porkulas spending by a commie president if it slapped you in the face so why bother trying to convince a communist like yourself?

    the dems were in control of congress but still produced no budget... you really are full of crap... quoting the constitution as if you know anything about it then try and spew BS about congress and the budget... the dems are tardy...

    you propose people not being able to hang on to their personal property if they want... that makes you a marxist..

    I wish people like you would leave so we could get back our power... didn't you say you were from china?... would you please go back so you can live in a place that better fits your communist mindset?...

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