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    Re: C-mon people!

    Why would the Tea Party give anything to people they hate? But the government isn't here to appease thier hatred.

    It would be true if we had a perfectly capitalistic society, but we're not. Yes, the only color a Capitalist should recognize is the color of money and would be beneficial to all because it wouldn't discriminate based on race, creed, gender, sexual orientation, or immigration status. To discriminate based on such would be unprofitable.
    Yes, defend yourself from the riff-raff, but even with enough money the riff-raff should be able to buy your product.

    But Americans do tend to have racial preferences, we're not a purely capitalist society who only sees the color of money.
    History has shown that when White Americans believe they are "threatened" by a minority race, thier reaction is to make laws that essentially shun them from the rest of society, hereby forbidding them from taking advantage of the opportunities and prosperity you claim should be for everyone.
    Blacks had to suffer through segregation, Chinatowns were set up so Chinese men could be locked away in these areas in hopes the Chinese-American community would eventually die out. (Note: The Chinese American exclusion laws forbade Chinese women from entering the country)
    Jews have been discriminated against at some point or another for most of thier history after the Roman Empire became Christianized (including within the US).
    Today, portions of this country discriminate against gays, muslims, and Hispanics. You do realize it is still legal for someone to get fired from thier job for the sole reason for being gay, right? Muslims and Hispanics, they assume one is here because they are terrorists and the other are illegal. 'nuff said.

    Agreed, affirmative action is not perfect either, but at least it gives minorities some chance at having some advantage over thier counterpart, and give them some chance at being able to take better advantage of these opportunities.

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    who has the tea party committed to "giving something" to?... is that how you look at govt? what they are going to give you?

    where it is legal to fire someone for being gay?

    we can not fix our past mistakes but nowhere on earth has a country EVER presented opportunities that so many diverse backgrounds could succeed.. no country has ever seen prosperity spread to so many different types of people... and capitalism and freedom brought it..

    your party wants to do what govt is already doing to europe.. the welfare state, high taxes and less freedom...

    you like that choice?

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    I'm pretty sure Reines can give you a clue as to who the Tea Party is committed to giving things to.

    IMO, if the government needs to survive, all of its citizens' needs must be fulfilled.
    Look at Egypt.
    Communism sprang up in Russia because the Russian Tzarists neglected the people. Same can be said about the French Revolution.
    Imperial China fell similarly, splitting into two factions, the Nationalists and the Communists. The Communists won, and the Nationalists moved to a little island we now know as Taiwan.
    Naziism sprang up because of the extreme poverty of the Great Depression.

    Actually, it's legal to fire someone for being gay in several states, most of them in the South, and some Mid-west.
    To summarize,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rig..._united_states

    We can't fix our past mistakes but we need to do what we can to not repeat them. I have a feeling that those that have kept thier racist beliefs have either gone underground (IE: Militias, Neo-nazi movements) or sided with political parties that are similarly minded. Certainly it isn't the Democrats.
    Either way they long for the day when thier racist beliefs become mainstream again and return to the laws of the land.

    My party wants to prevent what I mentioned above. We don't want another French Revolution occuring on American soil. We don't want poverty to get too extreme like in the Great Depression. Learning from the mistakes that killed the French Monarchy, the Russian Tzars, and gave rise to Communism and Naziism (and for all intents and purposes, disposed Mubarak)

    Keep in mind most of these revolutions were started by the disenfranchised poor, and some of them threw rocks or used pitch-forks instead of firing guns.
    And to do that, we need to balance capitalism and socialism. We can flourish in the bounties of capitalism when times are good, but when times get tough, there's something there to help out in times of need.

    Also, why is China still communist when its European counterparts have all fallen to this odd mish-mash of democracy/socialism/capitalism that you've painted the wide brush of "socialism" on? Could it be that it mixes capitalism and communism in its own little way? China allowed itself/was allowed to trade with the West, which the European and Soviet counterparts were not allowed to do (or did not do), which gave China a source of revenue that the European/Soviets did not: Western markets.
    Could it be the Chinese communist system keeps internal expenses low, but reaps the rewards of capitalism due to its extensive trade?
    Last edited by jolau; 2.20.11 at 4:13 PM.

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    hopefully she can indeed report when she can as to what the tea party wants to give... I'd be interested to know...

    relying on the govt to make sure all citizen's needs are fulfilled is the biggest mistake socieities make... this abandonment of self reliance leads to the erosion of people.. basic things can be certainly agreed on but there needs to be limitations on a central authority putting it's tentacles into every nook and cranny from maine to sandiego...
    kinda like katrina.. the govt dependent folks in the big easy suffered while those coon asses in the bayous fared quite well.. kinda funny how those who don't have govt to fall back on find ways to prepare for things better than the others...no?

    bring me up to speed on the last person fired for being gay... I'd be interested to see those stories... all kiddin' aside...

    I think you're going a little excessive on the black helicopters on the racist stuff... really dude.. that's a little way out there if you ask me..

    if things continue to go the way they are going, china will get stronger because they are smart enough to not let the dumb masses vote.. .

    democracy always leads to the masses voting their way into the public treasury and that has always destroyed societies.. ..

    the true destructional type of greed is wanting more of someone else's money, not someone just simply trying to keep more of their own...

    think about it ...

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    This is the money shot right here.
    Quote Originally Posted by big easy View Post
    if things continue to go the way they are going, china will get stronger because they are smart enough to not let the dumb masses vote.. .
    Don't you think that the rich are members of "The Masses" too and have thier own form of destructive greed? You know, the kind that in thier quest to keep more of thier money will vote to ensure the government can't generate any income at all, thus forcing it to use the public treasure just to make ends meet?
    Yes, they too can convince even the poor to follow. Use of the Horatio Alger mythos that one of these days they will be successful and rich and have to pay such taxes is one of them. The promises of trickle-down economics is another one.

    Don't think for a second that racism has been erased in America either. Deminished? Yes, Erased? No. And it is that reason I fear the racist elements (IE: White Supremist) in this country can do alot more damage than Islamic Terrorists.

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    the rich are a very low percentage therefore un-checked democracies with the rule of law abondoning individual rights is always going to work against the wealthy... it's too easy of a sell to those who are not rich... always has been and has allways resulted in bad consequences...

    have you forgotten that revenues to the fed treasury almost doubled during reagan's tenure? have you forgotten before the '08 crash, record revenues were rolling into the federal treasury under bushII? how can anyone complain about greedy rich people when the top 10% are paying over 40% of the federal income taxes? while 70% of federal expenitures go to left winged/democratic social programs? states going broke due to leftist agendas left and right... you see in europe right now... at what point do we say enough is enough?... what is the limit of the statist's appetite for total control of society?

    what would the statist do without the successful people they bemoan? who would fund your pipedreams and promises of utopia that give the political power?

    always on the attack of those who pay your bills... and it's never enough...

    I don't care for racists or muslim terrorists.. but the muslim extremists are hell bent on implanting sharia law into every square mile of this planet and will make attempts to kill as many of us as they can... the racists are not anywhere near the threat of the future of our country as the muslim extremists are

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    You're forgetting the rich have one tool at thier disposal: Political influence. I've already shown how the rich can convince the poor to side with them. Just look at what the Tea Party promises.
    And guess what, it's working.
    And who said anything about abandoning individual rights? Don't you remember the reason why we have a Patriot Act? Aren't we giving up individual rights here to "fight terrorism"?

    Perhaps because married women (AKA, former say-at-home moms) started working during the Reagan years, and people spending what they couldn't afford during the W years?

    There is a difference between Muslim Terrorism and White Supremists. When actually fighting against a standing army, the Muslim terrorists have proven they can't fight thier way out of a paper bag.
    We've invaded thier countries and occupied thier territory (twice) while they just go underground and attempt suicide bombings to spread fear amongst the enemy populace. What makes you think they can invade and conquer foreign territory, let alone control it?
    Once they step outside thier borders, the United States will step in, doesn't matter if the parties in office are Democrats, Republicans, Bush, Obama, or Clinton. They will be contained within thier borders, the United States will never allow a world conqueror to prevail.
    White Supremists are already within this country and have an easier time at recruiting and can also use thier own political influence to get thier way.

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    the individual rights I'm talking about pertain to how much control one has over his/her personal property... how much control over your time/money should the govt have over it and how much should they be allowed to confiscate in order to give it to someone else for a vote?

    look how much they've changed our lives and look how much they've impacted our economy and way of life with all the ridiculous security...

    regardless of what you think can or cannot happen, all countries eventually fall.. federal govts overreaching and trying implement a one size fits all across a huge population has the same ending time and time again but we keep saying "this time it'll be different"... yea right..

    I would say you have too much confidence in the USA... we've taken things for granted for too long and become too soft... it happens gradually so nobody gets excited about it until it is unfortunately too late...

    as long as we continue to copy the euros, we'll grow weak and insignificant like them.. and we won't be strong enough to stop them..

    england is already flirting with sharia law...

    I hope we have the strength to wean ourselves off of the opiate of welfare... not to say we don't have somethings in place, but we have too much right now and we need to just let go and let freedom do it's thing... not the destruction of the nanny state

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