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Catstrack
8.25.07, 3:36 AM
Seems like there are some out in support for him...big NFL star and all....saying that dog fighting (which is illegal in most states) is no different than those who hunt?????

Well, goomba as I am, I think there's plenty of slaughter houses that produce meat for those who eat meat and to make the comparison of dog fighting/cock fighting...blood sports is ridulous! Breeding animals for blood sports is horrible! Hanging, electrocuting, drowning dogs who don't perform is beyond measure.

Of course, it's my opininon, too...back to hunting, slaughter, etc., that those who eat meat should raise their own animals. Not a member of PETA and don't plan to be, but if most knew how animals are killed for meat counter produce...like cattle, who are social herd animals, not unlike elephants who greet new baby members and who know scents of other herd members....

Dogs, cats, they are the ones who humans upgrade to pet status and it's hard to understand how in this, plus many other instances, dog fighting among some, seems to be tolerated. Vick is out, but he's not alone in this type of blood sport.



http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7153814?MSNHPHCP&gt1=10347

reines
8.27.07, 5:40 PM
Last I knew, people who hunt don't torture animals........and they don't set them against each other for monetary gain either. It's really sad to see the ridiculous lenghts some will go to to try to excuse this.
IMO you can tell an awful lot about people by how they treat animals.....and those who participate in dogfighting are beneath contempt. Vick doesn't strike me as being all too bright- not that it takes even much intelligence to know that you musn't abuse animals....or be cruel to living things on purpose. Unfortunately, professional sports today seems to be filled with thugs like Vick. Did you catch his "apology" today? How convenient- a lame apology once you're caught........after weeks of lying and abusing your friends. Let's hope he has plenty of time behind bars to meditate on his crime.

Catstrack
8.28.07, 3:09 AM
Yes...I did see Vick's apology after, as you point out, he's denied involvement for weeks. Interesting too is that he still says he never betted on the fights which would have banned him (aka: Pete Rose in BB) from playing ever again.

Nice touch too that Vick added he had a come to Jesus revelation (like convicted people do when jail is appoaching or politicians name-dropping Jesus or God for votes).

Ironic for Vick that God spelled backwords is dog!

reines
8.28.07, 3:32 PM
"Ironic for Vick that God spelled backwords is dog!" LOL!
And I think it's disgusting that he hasn't been permanently fired from pro football!

MeganG
8.28.07, 10:00 PM
There's a reason for him not being fired. Atlanta needs to recoup some of the millions they have paid him in signing bonuses. If they drop him from the roster they can't file a claim with insurance and recoup some of the cash. So he'll be listed as a suspended player until they can get the legal stuff all straightened out. That's what I've read anyway.

Catstrack
8.29.07, 3:52 AM
Could be, Megan. This legal problem with Vick must be a difficult issue for the owners to figure out with the signing bonuses and how to proceed. It's lots of buckazoids they have offered over the terms of the contract with Vick.

reines
8.29.07, 2:46 PM
There's a reason for him not being fired. Atlanta needs to recoup some of the millions they have paid him in signing bonuses. If they drop him from the roster they can't file a claim with insurance and recoup some of the cash. So he'll be listed as a suspended player until they can get the legal stuff all straightened out. That's what I've read anyway.
Yep, it's always about money in the end, isn't it? Sigh.........I'm not really into professional football. My husband (who is) said it has to go through the legal process first also......but he didn't explain the details you did. Thanks.

MeganG
8.29.07, 9:35 PM
I only knew because I've been following this story. In this case I'm glad its about the money and the Falcons are trying to reclaim the cash. I will say it has shown there are some groups out there that showed their true agenda. Though they were small, there were some playing the race card saying he got off worse than a white player would have. I'm glad the broader media didn't pick that up. Why anyone could be involved with that kind of brutality is beyond me.

Catstrack
8.30.07, 3:51 AM
I only knew because I've been following this story. In this case I'm glad its about the money and the Falcons are trying to reclaim the cash. I will say it has shown there are some groups out there that showed their true agenda. Though they were small, there were some playing the race card saying he got off worse than a white player would have. I'm glad the broader media didn't pick that up. Why anyone could be involved with that kind of brutality is beyond me.

I agree and one thing that was brought out (media wise) is that dogfighting is more widespread than I thought it was. Definately not a race issue as to what sentence Vick or someone else might receive on a similar thing. If anything, it may because the majority of people in this country have some kind of pet and are horrified that dogs/animals might be used in gambling blood sports. That and what opinion the judge may have had...might have been the deciding issue. I dunno, but...

it's good to bring things like this out. I saw a report soon after this came out with Michael Vick's situation that (I think in NY state) dozens (maybe a hundred!) cats and many kittens (some still had umbilical cords) were rescued by local authorities from a ring of dogfighters who used the cats/kittens...thrusting them at in-training dogs to get them excited, then letting them kill the felines and taste blood.

Good news was that when the news got out....it was reported that so many came adopt these rescued felines.

One more thing....my state just recenty (last 3 or 4 years) banned cockfighting and was an issue placed on the state ballot. I can't tell you how many editorials in the paper. etc. were from those supported cockfighting...some even said it was a family sport they enjoyed and raised birds for.

Sheesh! Get the kids into baseball, soccer, etc! ARG!!!!

reines
8.30.07, 8:00 PM
Yikes.......Just when you thought we were actually a civilized people, eh? Makes you wonder just how "civilized" we really are after all.