A Bad Idea For The Series Ending

[mtj]

I've been giving some thought to why Matthew Fox, and only Matthew Fox, has been told how the series ends.
I figure it has to have something to do with Jack's character, that he needs to know to act his way through the rest of the series.
And then I had a really bad idea.
Right at the very beginning of all this, when Jack and Kate were talking about the plane crash, Jack says he blacked out.
Kate says she didn't.
I'm going to be really upset, if this whole thing has been some "over the rainbow-like" blackout on Jack's part.
Some spiritual, out of body experience, that Jack had to take in order to make peace with his father.
And if the end, is Jack's eye opening on the plane, that never crashed in the first place.
And Jack looks around the plane, like Dorothy looked around her bedroom and thinks, "and she was there, and him, and he was too."
There are about a million things wrong with that scenario.
I do, however, think that Jack is probably going to die before the series ends.
And that is part of the reason that Matthew Fox was let in on how it all ends.

[Thor Twain]

It wouldn't surprise me if the series ends the way it began, with Jack waking up in the jungle after a plane crash!

I'm still holding to my prediction that the series will end in the cave with Adam and Eve having just accomplished whatever it was that needed accomplishing. Adam and Eve will be Jack and Kate... and they'll die in the caves to be found 50 years later. The big hole in the theory... how do they get back 50 years to die in the cave? That's the big hole with anybody we've seen on the show ending up being Adam and Eve. Somehow, that has to happen around 1954 or 1957. Jack said it looked like they'd been there for 40-50 years. That was done to establish the timeline.

I'm confident, even if my prediction is wrong, that the series will end in a way that we won't be disappointed. That would mean no dream.

[mtj]

This all being anyone's dream, black out, or fantasy...negates a whole lot of what we viewers have invested in.
That would be an insult, and I sincerely hope the writers do not have this in mind.
It was all a dream was done in the show "Dallas" and I found it a huge cop out.
If Jack and Kate are Adam and Eve, then Jack would have had to be "in the future" when he found the remains of Adam and Eve.
I'm not seeing how that is possible.
But then I say that about a lot of things on LOST.

[Thor Twain]

Jack was in 2004 when he found Adam and Eve, so they had to die in 1954 or 1964. He said they'd been there 40 or 50 years. So, whoever they are, they either travel back in time again or they're somebody we haven't seen.

[mtj]

Maybe we should pay particular attention to the "Jughead" episode then.
Because that is when we see the island in 1954.
Provided that Jack's estimate on the age of the corpses is correct.

[Thor Twain]

That's one of those things that, in real life, someone wouldn't be able to quickly look at two skeletons and estimate that they've been there for 40-50 years. It was done for the show's purposes, though, to tell us how long the bodies have been there.

I don't recall anybody important dying in "Jughead". I'd have to go back and watch again.

[mtj]

Here is the exact wording (from Lostpedia)...

Jack (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jack) says in "House of the Rising Sun (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/House_of_the_Rising_Sun)" that the bodies must have been dead 40-50 years based on the deterioration of their clothing; however in "Deus Ex Machina (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Deus_Ex_Machina)", John Locke (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/John_Locke) says that normal clothing would decompose within 2 years.

So I'm not putting a whole lot of stock in 40-50 years. It's wrong anyway. Clothing does not take that long to deteriorate.

[annsensei]

maybe adam and eve will end up being aaron and ji yeon. how's THAT for a twist? lol :p :winkq:

[mtj]

Okay, my mind is melting.
How do Aaron and Ji Yeong get from post island time to past island time,
in order to die in the caves fifty years before their parents who crashed onto the island in 2004?
I swear to God, we are all going to end up in the Santa Rosa facility with Hurley, painting pictures in our bathrobes...when this is all over.
Horse anyone?

[Thor Twain]

No, that's not exactly what they say. They're talking about different people, anyway. When Locke is talking about the clothing, he's talking about Eko's brother, the dead priest in the plane.


BOONE: He's a priest. How long do you think he's been dead?
LOCKE: [B]Normally clothing would completely decompose within 2 years, but this is high quality polyester, could be 2 years, could be 10. Gold teeth, obviously well off.
[Locke finds a large wad of bills.]
BOONE: What kind of money is that?
LOCKE: Nigerian naira.
BOONE: What is a Nigerian priest doing on an island in the South Pacific?
LOCKE: [finding a gun] I'm not so sure he's a priest.


They're telling us Yemi has been there from 2-10 years, not Adam and Eve.

Here is where Jack and Kate find Adam and Eve

[Shot of skeleton.]
KATE: Who is he. How'd he get here?
JACK: I can't exactly perform an autopsy but there doesn't seem to be any major trauma to the bones. There's another one over here. Someone laid them to rest here.
KATE: Who?
JACK: I don't know.
KATE: Where would they come from?
JACK: Didn't you guys shoot a polar bear last week?
KATE: Yeah.
JACK: Where'd that come from?
[B]KATE: Any idea how long they've been here?
JACK: Long. It takes 40 or 50 years for clothing to degrade like this.
[Jack finds a pouch in the clothing.]
KATE: What is it?
[Jack dumps a white stone and a black stone into his palm.]
LOCKE: [approaching] Hello? Anybody there? Everyone all right?
JACK: [nodding] A few stings aside.
[Jack puts the stones back into the pouch, but we can't see what he does with the pouch.]
CHARLIE: You two run away fantastically. Glad my diversion spared you. I was only stung several hundred times. Oh, and uh, someone left this [handing Kate her shirt].
KATE: It was, um, it was full of bees.
CHARLIE: I'd have thought C's, actually.
[Kate gives him a "you're an idiot" look.]
CHARLIE: Sorry.
[Jack sort of laughs. Then Charlie sees one of the skeletons. Jack is looking at the other one.]
CHARLIE: Bloody Hell! Are these the people who were here before us?
[Jack looks toward Locke. Locke comes closer.]
LOCKE: What are you talking about?
[Jack gives Charlie a "you idiot" look.]
CHARLIE: Uh, just, you know, the, the, there could have been people here before us, right?
[Locke looks toward Jack who looks away.]
LOCKE: Clearly. But, who were these men?
JACK: Actually, one of them is female.
LOCKE: Our very own Adam and Eve.

They've clearly told us that Adam and Eve were laid to rest in those caves 40-50 years ago. It doesn't matter if clothing deteriorates that fast in real life. This is a TV show and this is how they told us how long Adam and Eve have been there.

[mtj]

CHARLIE: I'd have thought C's, actually.


To be totally catty, the correct letters would have been A's. :evilgrinu:

The thing I find most interesting is the mention that Adam and Eve have been "laid there to rest". This indicates the presence of other people as well.

[Thor Twain]

Ha ha ha, I never thought they were C's, either, but I wasn't going to be mean. :D Actually, Charlie probably has a pretty good idea if they're A's, B's, or C's!

Yes, so now not only do we have to wonder who Adam and Eve are, but who laid them to rest!

[mtj]

Cruse and Lindelof have pretty much promised that the Adam and Eve thing will be addressed and explained.
I could buy that it's Rose and Bernard.
But if that is the case, who "laid them to rest"?
I'll stop believing that Rose and Bernard are Adam and Eve if they time travel back to 2004 with the rest of the gang.
It only makes sense that they are Adam and Eve if they stay stuck in 1977.
And even then, it puts Jack's "50 year" comment off the mark.
I had an interesting thought about Rose and Bernard when I watched that scene where Bernard asks Juliet if she wants to stay for tea.
And then Juliet puts her hand to her stomach, much the same as a pregnant woman would do, and says "Maybe another time."
It was almost her way of going Desmond and saying, "See you in another life, Brother."
And speaking of Desmond, any thoughts on how they are going to bring him back?
Because I refuse to believe that his part in this story is over and we won't see him in Season Six.

[Thor Twain]

Maybe they laid themselves to rest? I don't remember if they were positioned in any certain way, but that could have just been where they died... even though that would discount the 'laid to rest' comment.

There is still the possibility Bernard and Rose will be Adam and Eve, but they did say the time travelling was done, too. Although, that can't be entirely true, either. They HAVE to get everyone back together, so somehow or another, someone is going to have to travel to a different time.

I think it's possible Juliet was pregnant. And I think it's possible Bernard and Rose had knowledge of what was going to happen to her. Why did they seemingly just ask her for tea? Were they trying to save her? And yes, that was sort of like Desmond's "see you in another life, Brother".

I don't know how they'll get Desmond back. I think he should come back, as well as the Widmores. We need to find out their part in all of this, too. I have read that Claire will be back as a regular next year, so it'll be interesting to see how they explain her story, too.

[mtj]

I've read that the producers are negotiating with a whole bunch of "gone" characters to get them back for the series finale.
We'll see how that plays out.
All the loose ends make me wonder.
Obviously, there is one more trip through time, or the show was over, once the bomb went off.
Richard said he saw them all die in a flash of white light.
I'm putting serious bank on the fact that in Season Six, we see Richard looking on from the jungle at what played out at the Swan.
I would dearly love it if Juliet makes it back to 2004.
The writers seemed to have put a lot of OOMPH on the Sawyer/Juliet romance.
And it would be a nice part of the end of the story if Juliet is truly pregnant and is the first woman to give birth on the island after the fertility curse.
Although, the writers are going to have to play around with time to make that happen.
I think everyone who played a crucial part in this story is going to be a part of it's ending.
Charles, Eloise, Desmond, Walt, Charlie and Claire.
They were all a part of it's beginning, and they all need to be a part of it's ending as well.
I think the fact that Sun found the Drive Shaft ring, means that we will get some kind of closure on the Charlie/Claire/Aaron thing.
I don't envy the writers.
They have a gabillion loose ends to tie up before next May rolls around.

[Thor Twain]

Elizabeth Mitchell is not a regular next season. She'll appear in only a few episodes. At least, as of now, that's the way it is. She has her own series coming out, a remake of "V". That may be cancelled by the time "LOST" starts up again, though.

[mtj]

I've read all the whiz bang stuff about Elizabeth Mitchell and "V".
And from what I've read, "V" is waiting to see what Elizabeth Mitchell does with LOST before committing her as a regular cast member on "V".
So I think it's quite likely that Juliet can play out her part on LOST before Elizabeth Mitchell moves on.
What is really significant is what the writers of LOST intend to do with Juliet.
And after what they did with Sawyer and Juliet at the end of this season,
I will hold those writers accountable for how they play out the Sawyer/Juliet love story.

[Thor Twain]

This is from Spoilerfix.com:



spoilers:

http://www.spoilerfix.com/images/new.gif 05/27 - [Elizabeth Mitchell] will not be returning to Lost as a series regular. [...] Multiple sources confirm that the actress is expected to appear in an unspecified number of episodes
(http://www.spoilerfix.com/lost.php#)next season, so it's entirely possible Juliet survived Jughead and her absence will be explained in another way. Source: The Ausiello Files (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/)