John Locke SPOILER

[mtj]

I just read an interview with Terry O'Quinn on Dark UFO.
I don't know how accurate this is, but they are usually pretty accurate on that site.
O'Quinn: "I think, unfortunately, I think it's ended for Locke. But I'm still there, as far as I know," O'Quinn said. "I don't know how it's going to end for this other guy. I'm sad. I miss John Locke, poor guy. He was a pawn."

[Thor Twain]

Of course, he may not know what is in plan for his character. From what I've read, only Matthew Fox (Jack) knows how the series will end... as far as the actors go. That's why I've always thought Jack would end up being so important, as in either Adam of Adam and Eve or maybe even Jacob himself. Why would they clue him in on the ending? It has to be because he's involved in the ending in a major way.

[mtj]

It seems a little lame to me to have Locke just turn out to be a pawn. I hope O'Quinn is wrong about this.
I'm confused as to why they "pre-shot" that scene with Matthew Fox and the kid who plays Walt.
And how a scene with just those two in it, is a part of how this show ends.

[Thor Twain]

What scene is this? I've only heard that Matthew Fox knows the ending of the series, not that they pre-shot a scene with Walt. Where did you see that?

[mtj]

I don't remember where I read that, and I can't find it doing a search. What I did find is a lot of people who don't believe that Matthew Fox really does know the ending.

Edit: Here it is...http://forum.lostpedia.com/rumor-scene-series-finale-filmed-t26551.html?

[Thor Twain]

I don't see why Fox would lie about that. I think he knows. He really has nothing to gain by saying he knows the ending if he doesn't. I wonder if he had wanted to leave the show, but had to be let in on the ending so he'd see how pivotal he was and that it was crucial for him to stay. All purely speculation by me, and I've been wrong PLENTY of times in speculating about the show!

[mtj]

It seems weird to me that the powers that be would reveal the ending to anyone.
That story about how Matthew Fox needed to tape the scene with the boy who plays Walt, seemed plausible.
But the more I think about it, the less plausible it seems.
Matthew Fox wanted to leave, and the powers that be let him in on the ending to convince him to stay?
Possibly.
But I'm enough of a cynic to not go down the length of that road.
How LOST ends will perhaps go down as the most well kept secret in TV history.
There are already plans to broadcast the very last episode, simultaneously in every country, so no spoilers leak out.
So why am I supposed to believe that Matthew Fox has been let in on this, for some unexplained reason?

[Thor Twain]

I don't know why he'd be let in on it, but why would he lie? He has said that he knows the ending. Why would he put his reputation on the line lying about something like that? He doesn't need the attention, he has that. So, if he says he knows the ending, I believe him. Maybe he had to be told the ending so he'd know how to play Jack for seasons 4, 5, and 6?

[mtj]

If he was indeed told about the ending, I hope that is explained after all is said and done.
Dark UFO is doing a section where people submit their five "must be explained" things.
Damn if I can narrow my list down to five.
Or which five are the most important.
Because after last week's episode, I just have more questions. :rolleyes:

[Thor Twain]

Just off the top of my head, let's see...

1. What's going on?! I need to know what is going on on this island. That may cover more than one question really, but it's the big one.
2. What is Smokey?
3. Who are Jacob and 'Esau'? Is this just a game to them?
4. What is the statue?
5. Who are Adam and Eve

And then I'm good. That's all I need to know. :D

Ha ha, I suppose some other things will be... the fertility problem, how was Locke cured, were the people chosen to come there and why... but I think a lot of these are all tied together. If we learn who Jacob and Esau are, we probably learn what is going on on the island and if the people were brought there for a purpose... and how Locke was cured and what Smokey is.

[mtj]

I agree that the answer to your first question, answers a lot of "sub-questions".
Like what happened to Claire.
Claire should have died in that explosion.
But she didn't.
And then she just up and wanders off, without Aaron and is next seen hanging around with dead Christian.
None of that has ever made any sense to me.
I think there was a lot of symbolism in starting the season 5 finale with shots of Jacob weaving.
And the fact that we see his completed work at the end of those episodes.
As if everything that has gone on, and everyone involved, were threads in his woven work.

[Thor Twain]

I'm wondering if Claire didn't really die in that explosion. Either that or she died when they were sleeping that night and Christian came to get her. Was Aaron with her in the house or was he in another house? Claire did say she had a headache and then stopped seeing things, so I'm wondering if she had an injury and ended up dying. We'll find out next year. Maybe... if the writers are true to Charlie's vision, we'll see her alive again and she will get onto a helicopter with Aaron before the series ends!

Yes, that was very symbolic. Jacob was weaving all the threads together... the threads of the story and the threads of his plan... maybe even all of the people were represented by the threads.

[mtj]

I've re-watched that episode where Claire disappeared several times.
For some reason, Claire was sleeping and Hurley had Aaron at Locke/Ben's house.
The Freighties attack, Sawyer runs through a mess of bullets and "shot Others" to get Claire.
Her house explodes, but she is perfectly intact in the wreckage.
If she died in the explosion, how was she walking around talking to people after that?
There are actually people who think that Claire and Aaron both died in that explosion and that Kate has been hallucinating Aaron ever since.
That is a stretch.

[Thor Twain]

Well, we've seen dead people on the island before, but I guess they've always been explained as being Smokey. Yemi was Smokey and Christian may be Smokey. If that's the case, Claire wouldn't have been Claire, but Smokey. How else would she show up with Christian who is supposed to be dead?

I think Vozzek first came up with the idea that Kate was hallucinating Aaron. He thought Carol acted like Aaron wasn't in the picture Kate gave her and asked, "Where is he?" Then in the store, he was there and then just gone in a flash. When she asked the clerk where her little boy went, he acted like he didn't know what she was talking about. Of course, I think it's safe to assume now that Vozzek was wrong. Jack saw Aaron when they were off island for starters, and then he has mentioned about how Kate asked him not to ask what she did with Aaron. I'm sure Aaron was there and Kate and Jack not hallucinating, although it was an interesting theory he had for a while.

[mtj]

Yep, it was Vozzek. And he compared "The Little Prince" to "The Sixth Sense".
And then all I could see when I watched "The Little Prince" was red, everywhere.
Starting with Kate's pony tail holder at the very beginning of the episode.
And while Kate often pulls her hair back, it NEVER has a colored band on it.
So that got me thinking.
But if Kate was hallucinating Aaron, then I guess Jack was reading "Alice In Wonderland" to an empty bed.
Something is truly weird about what happened with Claire though.

[Thor Twain]

Yep, that's what I said. Jack saw Aaron off island and was raising him, too, so that pretty much debunked Vozzek's theory right there. Also, Sun saw him and took care of him.

I'm in the camp that Claire is dead. I don't know when it happened, but I'm thinking when her dad came and got her, that was it. I know it's a show, but nobody could survive in a building that was hit like that. Same with a hydrogen bomb... or even a plane crashing on an island! Ha ha, but I accept it. It wouldn't have been much of a show if everyone had died right in the first episode! :D

[mtj]

To go along with Vozzek's idea, you have to believe that everyone is "pretending" to accommodate Kate's fragile psyche.
I can't imagine where a story like that would lead.
There are too many other lose ends to wind up.
I wonder how much of the rumors that the actress who plays Claire is "difficult" played into Claire's weird disappearance.

[Thor Twain]

I don't think anybody would play along with that. I think Jack would send her to the psych ward pronto! Oh... come to think of it, EVERYONE saw Aaron. She had him when they returned and they had to tell everyone he was her baby. Ha ha, Vozzek really had holes in that theory!

I think that is THE reason she disappeared. It maybe made them have to change what was supposed to happen. She was probably supposed to get off the island on the helicopter. That's what they were leading up to, anyway.

[Moola]

Why are the numbers significant?
How do the first Others get there (Widmore, Eloise, etc) and why do they have british accents?
Smokey?
Why was Clair told she had to raise Aaron?
Why was Walt considered special?
Why does Hurley see dead people? (not buying the "its a blessing" thing)
Why can Jacob visit people "off island" in his own form, but why does NotJacob have to visit using other forms?
plus so much more :D

[Thor Twain]

About the numbers from Lostpedia:



It has been revealed in The Lost Experience (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lost_Experience) that these six numbers are the core values of the Valenzetti Equation (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Valenzetti_Equation), a mathematical formula designed to predict the end of humanity. The numbers in actuality are said to represent human and environmental factors in the equation (given numerical form), though their precise meaning is uncertain. One purpose of the DHARMA Initiative (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/DHARMA_Initiative) was to change the factors leading to humanity's demise, which will be indicated by an alteration in at least one of the human/environmental factors - i.e. the numbers. However, in all its years of research, the Initiative failed to reach its goal. Despite much research and manipulation of the equation's values, the end result was always the numbers.

In an interview with E! in 2009, Damon stated the following in regards to the Numbers: "Here's the story with numbers. The Hanso Foundation that started the Dharma Initiative hired this guy Valenzetti to basically work on this equation to determine what was the probability of the world ending in the wake of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Valenzetti basically deduced that it was 100 percent within the next 27 years, so the Hanso Foundation started the Dharma Initiative in an effort to try to change the variables in the equation so that mankind wouldn't wipe it itself out." [1] (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Numbers#cite_note-0) an intrerresting side note to that might be that 4+8-15-16-23+42 = 0.

[mtj]

Not everyone reads The Lost Experience. Not everyone reads interviews with Damon. Therefore, if these things are not written into the script of an episode, many people are not aware of them.

[Thor Twain]

Damon also said in an interview that we'd never know what the deal was with the numbers. I don't think it'll ever be on the show, so this is the best explanation you're going to get.

[mtj]

Oh sorry, but I call foul on that.
Don't weave this big mystery about a sequence of numbers, that not only applies to the hatch, but worked it's way into Hurley's life, and then say there will be no explanation.
That is just flipping the bird to your viewers.