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If I am correct, it went down like this.
Charlie leaves the "DS" ring in Aaron's cradle and goes off to drown.
Claire takes Aaron out of the cradle, goes off with the Losties to the radio tower, and never goes back to the beach before she "dies/or whatever".
Claire doesn't notice the ring in the cradle.
So...
is anyone ever going to find that ring?
Somebody better, and it better be given to Aaron.
I am going to hold the writers accountable for that.
Also, what happened to Charlie's "five best" list?
Thor Twain
3.1.09, 12:25 PM
I'd forgotten about that. You're right, I don't think anybody found it. I wonder if they ever will.
Did Charlie give that list to Desmond? Or was it in his pocket?
I've re-watched the whole sequence.
Actually, Jack's group did go back to the beach.
But Claire did not.
I suppose they can concoct some flashback where Kate finds the ring.
But I wish it had been Claire, that would have been a touching scene.
As for the list, Charlie gave it to Desmond when they were in the boat.
Desmond gave it back to Charlie when Desmond said he was going to make the swim.
Then Charlie knocked Desmond out with an oar and put the list back in Desmond's shirt pocket.
Even if by some stretch, Desmond found the note in an old shirt pocket, it loses it's oomph with no Claire to give it to.
These are more of my reasons why the whole "Charlie dying" story line seems so pointless to me.
Thor Twain
3.2.09, 4:06 PM
OK, I thought it had ended up with Desmond.
It would be nice if they found that ring and ended up giving it to Aaron. Maybe Hurley will find it and give it to him.
We were watching the episode where Charlie dies today and it is just full of so many holes.
Perhaps the biggest is this.
Instead of locking himself into that hold that Patchy was about to blow, why didn't Charlie just run out and shut the door?
Charlie's death makes no sense to me at all.
None whatsoever.
And I love his line to Hurley when he visits Hurley at the mental hospital.
"I am dead. But I'm also here."
Back to that age old LOST question...
What is dead? :rolleyes:
Thor Twain
3.2.09, 5:19 PM
Yep, Charlie could have saved himself. I know a lot of people said he closed the door so Desmond's vision would come true. I know, that's weak, but he did think he had to die so Claire would live. Or maybe he just didn't think and closed the door as a reaction to keep the rest of the station from flooding. I've often wondered if he could have fit through that window that was broken out, too, and then swam to the surface. It was probably too small.
Dead must be another plane of existence on "LOST". That's what it's looking like, anyway.
If you watch that episode again, you will notice that the opening that Patchy blew out was plenty big enough for Charlie to have gotten through.
Charlie is not a big guy.
The whole "Charlie dies" story line was clumsily written and full of holes.
What happened to Claire was also clumsily written and full of holes.
Boo to the writers for both of those things.
Personally, I think DEAD is another plane of existence period.
Thor Twain
3.2.09, 6:22 PM
OK, yes, another plane of existence, but in this show, it seems like they can also visit this plane of existence... or for certain people, they can see them.
I REALLY wish they would revisit both charlie and claire's disappearances. ITA that there are just too many questions and not enough answers in these stories. neither makes ANY sense!!!
I've always wondered why charlie didn't just swim out when the hatch blew. it's not like it caught him off guard!!!
as for claire, there's NO WAY she would have just wandered off to follow christian, not if it meant leaving aaron unattended!!! something is WAAAY wrong!!!
I can almost forgive the writers for their bad Nicky and Paulo mistake.
Notice I said "almost".
Because as a writer myself, I think it was just as foolish as can be to waste an entire episode on non-essential characters.
I'm not so forgiving about the "on again/off again" glimpses of Rose and Bernard.
They ARE essential characters and it's annoying that we don't know what's happened to them.
Thor Twain
3.4.09, 12:09 PM
What is essential about them? They'd only slow Sawyer and company down. Do you really want to watch Sawyer constantly hounding them about keeping up? Let's just assume they're back at the camp or by the river. I'm fine with that.
Im way more interested in whats going on with Claire then with whats going on with Rose and Bernard... And what happened to Sayid.
What is essential about them? They'd only slow Sawyer and company down.
Oh Thor, shame, shame.
You said the same thing about Aaron.
That he would only "slow Kate down".
I think Rose and Bernard are central to this story.
And Aaron is too.
Funny how all three of them are "not around" these days.
Maybe that is because those three are not in need of learning the lessons that the rest of them are.
We'll see. ;)
Thor Twain
3.4.09, 6:22 PM
I think Aaron is essential, but not Rose and Bernard. They were just along for the ride. :)
I think Aaron is essential, but not Rose and Bernard. They were just along for the ride. :)
Back up buddy.
What happened to all your comments about how what Rose and Bernard say is so significant?
They aren't "along for the ride" any more than Aaron was/is.
Are we now to dismiss all these people who were once significant and are now not getting any air time?
I'm not the only one wondering what happened to Rose and Bernard.
Or who thinks that they have significant meaning to this story.
Bet ya I'm right about this. :p
to me, the most important part about rose and bernard is that he is the ONLY surviving person from the tail section. combine that with his wife (who jack saved several times) and her miraculous cure from cancer, I'm invested. I REALLY want to know what's going on with them!!!
sawyer and friends are obviously the main focus on the island, but daniel is the only one that has been able to recognize/figure out/know what is going on. jin was pretty confused when he was with rousseau's group. what must be going on with bernard and rose.
I can accept that everyone else was killed because many were in the flaming arrow attack. between that and the other flashes with the hostiles and others, I guess I just want to make sure THEY haven't been senselessly killed, too!!!
Thor Twain
3.4.09, 8:23 PM
Minor characters can say significant things. I've said Bernard and Rose are 'truth speakers'. Often what they say turns out to be true, and yes, significant. They are minor characters, though. We have been led to believe Aaron is significant to the story because of what the psychic told Claire... that he had to be raised by her and not another. I believe he very well may yet play a large role in what happens on and to the island. Rose and Bernard won't. They're along for the ride.
I'll take your bet!
Annsensei, when did Jack save Rose several times? I'm not sure what you mean. I can't think of him ever directly saving her.
I don't think they've been killed. I just think they're hiding out somewhere, either at the camp or by the river. Since we saw the outrigger there before, I'd bet Sun and Lapidus landed by the camp and had a reunion with Bernard and Rose and the gang. Maybe we'll see tonight.
I could be wrong because I haven't re-watched the earlier seasons since they aired as re-runs.
I vaguely remember jack saving rose right after the crash (I think she was having heart problems because I remember CPR being involved). he also was sitting by her on the plane, and she mentioned once that he saved her by helping her stop hyperventilating just before the crash. it seems like she tried to drown herself, too, but I could be wrong there. I know that he was the one that convinced her to stop fasting until bernard came.
it seems like there were a few other instances, but I can't think of any right now. I think the main time was right after the crash. I remember her saying that she wanted to follow jack because he had saved her life.
since you guys have watched WAY more than me, please feel free to clear up my memory. it's pretty fuzzy!!!
Thor Twain
3.4.09, 10:27 PM
Ah yes, she was the woman Boone was trying to do CPR on, but Jack took over. On the plane, Jack told her it was just turbulence, I think.
I don't remember any other times, though, where he specifically saved her. She followed Jack instead of Locke because Locke had killed Naomi and she considered him a murderer. She said, "I'm not going anywhere with that man". Bernard was telling Jin how that surprised him because she didn't want to leave the island, where she'd been cured, but following Jack was the right thing to do.
Rose and Bernard have always struck me as the "truth tellers" in the group too, Thor.
That scene where Bernard talked to Jin about Karma was very significant, I think.
Rose really took the high road by following Jack instead of Locke, considering what leaving the island would mean for her.
Although, following Jack didn't necessarily mean that she would leave the island.
Just that those who wanted to, could.
I think Rose will end up with the same thoughts Danielle had.
That she wants to stay on the island, rather than leave.
Thor Twain
3.5.09, 8:59 AM
Yes, I think that scene was very significant, too.
I would have to say that now they were going back and forth between 3 years on the isand and not showing us Rose or Bernard, that is a little worrisome for the couple. It's possible they found them and moved them to Dharma camp, but just haven't shown them to us yet... or I'm wondering if they ended up with the Others? Time will tell, I guess.
It would be interesting if they were in The Temple with The Others.
Oh, the stories they will tell. :cool:
well. guess we have to wait 2 weeks now for any more info... looks like its going to be a good one tho.
Why???
What the hell is on next week that is bumping it?
not sure, but the previews at the end said..In 2 weeks... so... looks pretty good. looks like Sawyer and co. are not really too happy about the old losties showing up.
Thor Twain
3.5.09, 12:55 PM
I don't know why they're not showing a new episode next week. I know they're re-running last night's episode next week, though.
Why do you say it looks like Sawyer and co. are not happy to see the old Losties? That's what they've been waiting for!
I really hate it when shows like this skip a week, or weeks.
"Fringe" hasn't been on for weeks and will not return until April 1st.
By then, I will have forgotten most of what is going on in the show.
Thor Twain
3.5.09, 1:36 PM
Yes, I do, too. I don't know why they're skipping next week. At least we get this week's episode again. That should be fun... it should be enhanced.
in the previews it showed Sawyer telling the returned Losties they had to not come back to the compound, then showed him telling someone they were going to mess up what the left behinds had going. It also showed Sayid being captured and one of the Dharma people telling Sawyer to kill him. there were other snippets, but looks pretty interesting.
Thor Twain
3.6.09, 12:13 AM
I guess if he had a nice life with Juliet there, what the heck, why would he want to be rescued! LOL!
Sawyer has always maintained that he doesn't want to go back.
That there is nothing back there for him.
I'm guessing that if he and Juliet remain an item, that he will go back to be with her.
I'm setting the timer.
It will take Kate all of five seconds to realize that Sawyer and Juliet are together and try to do something to mess that up.
I hope that Sawyer tells off when she does.
Thor Twain
3.6.09, 9:16 AM
Why would Sawyer tell her off? He chose to jump off the helicopter when he could have easily given Hurley a big shove out the door! It's his own fault she left the island.
I would think that Sawyer is tired of taking Jack's leftovers.
Kate gets mad at Jack, and crawls in bed with Sawyer.
He as much as told her that when she came snaking for him after Locke told her to get lost. (no pun intended)
I actually kind of like Sawyer and Juliet.
I hope that one sticks.
They dont need to be "rescued" they had the sub. They would be in a different time tho.
I don't think they can "go back" on the sub, because their past selves are still living their 1970's lives on the other side.
Just like Charlotte's body disappeared because she couldn't exist in the same place as a 3 year old and a dead body.
Sawyer and Juliet discussed going back on the sub, but Sawyer talked her into staying for a week to wait for rescue. I think they just decided to stay.
Just like Charlotte's body disappeared because she couldn't exist in the same place as a 3 year old and a dead body.
I don't think that is why charlotte's body disappeared. sawyer saw kate and claire when she was giving birth to aaron. sawyer and locke were around at that time, just not in the same scene. unless it was specific to the dead body, I don't get why she would disappear.
besides, things that they have in their hands when it flashes seemed to travel with them. he must not have been touching her when they flashed, so she stayed in the previous time frame. (can you imagine what a MESS they made of the past bringing future things back and past things forward as they flashed around. lol. I wonder if richard's job is to clean up the past. or maybe abaddon's on clean up duty.)
Thor Twain
3.7.09, 12:03 AM
I agree with Annsensei about Charlotte's body disappearing. I think it was just that once she died, her body didn't make the jump in time with everyone else. We've seen our Losties in the same time, but at different parts of the island.
Sawyer talked Juliet into staying for 2 weeks, but I guess she decided to stay a lot longer.
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