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Catstrack
9.30.16, 2:48 AM
Do any of their supporters take the time to research these independent candidates? Except for VP candidate Weld perhaps, to Johnson, they are as much candidates of no substance than Trump is.

Some may see an advantage if endorsing Johnson for his pledge to make marijuana legal in all states, but he's shown a deficit in his ability of international issues and knowledge. Trading one know-nothing (Johnson) against another know-nothing (Trump) is ridiculous.

Third party candidates this year are only spoilers to help Trump, so that's something their voters will have to live with if (God forbid!!) Trump is elected.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/29/politics/gary-johnson-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/index.html

Mike
9.30.16, 9:52 AM
All the Bernie folks who are supporting Johnson surprise me. Johnson is like the dark mirror opposite of Bernie, but for some reason or other, the Bernie fans don't seem to realize that.

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14470524_1315296008503666_5827291273208457685_n.jp g?oh=c17e9d01382f6e714b01234651a42b3e&oe=586C8CC7

jolau
9.30.16, 2:48 PM
All the Bernie folks who are supporting Johnson surprise me. Johnson is like the dark mirror opposite of Bernie, but for some reason or other, the Bernie fans don't seem to realize that.

Sour grapes over primary losses.
They saw him as the "perfect candidate". He doesn't have the kind of baggage Hillary has, he had better polling numbers when compared to the rest of the Republican candidates, his message resonated with independents, and what they couldn't understand is why Democrats voted Hillary.
Problem is, we don't know what scandals the Republican Party would have in store for him. He's a socialist, a Non-Christian, and a Third-Partier. Of course who knows what else Donald Trump would have thrown at him.

The Green Party to me is just the equivalent of all the animal rights/militant vegan organizations all rolled up into one. I get them, they're disorganized hippies that think OCCUPY-style protesting will get them anywhere.
What I don't understand is Libertarians. Right now they are claiming they can bring two polar opposites together to form some sort of compromise. However, something tells me that the liberals will be doing more compromising and the conservatives will get the better bargain.
Both sides disregard religion and its effects on say, reproductive politics. Something the Greens won't touch and like I said before, the Libertarian compromise will favor conservatives and not liberals.

jolau
9.30.16, 9:57 PM
Do any of their supporters take the time to research these independent candidates? Except for VP candidate Weld perhaps, to Johnson, they are as much candidates of no substance than Trump is.

All these people see is what they perceive to be a "broken" system. A system where corporations and the government are in kahoots with each other, and the need for "outsiders" is the solution to this problem. As I keep saying, they don't factor things like religion and its effects on politics (especially among conservatives).

Another problem is, they seem to be very top-heavy. They mainly focus on the Presidency, and rarely take on down-ticket positions. They have yet to do what the Tea Party has done, which is essentially take over (or take the place of) a major party to the point where they have control over everything from Dog Catcher to Presidential nominees.

Catstrack
10.2.16, 3:20 AM
All the Bernie folks who are supporting Johnson surprise me. Johnson is like the dark mirror opposite of Bernie, but for some reason or other, the Bernie fans don't seem to realize that.

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14470524_1315296008503666_5827291273208457685_n.jp g?oh=c17e9d01382f6e714b01234651a42b3e&oe=586C8CC7

Oh, Myyyyy! Totally agree with George (and you)! I don't get it either why many of the Bernie people decided to back Johnson. Guess they didn't bother to research all his platforms and see where he is on things.

Catstrack
10.2.16, 3:24 AM
Sour grapes over primary losses.
They saw him as the "perfect candidate". He doesn't have the kind of baggage Hillary has, he had better polling numbers when compared to the rest of the Republican candidates, his message resonated with independents, and what they couldn't understand is why Democrats voted Hillary.
Problem is, we don't know what scandals the Republican Party would have in store for him. He's a socialist, a Non-Christian, and a Third-Partier. Of course who knows what else Donald Trump would have thrown at him..

What is interesting is what Weld said this week: "I'm not sure anybody is more qualified than Hillary Clinton to be president of the United States," Weld told MSNBC's Chuck Todd.

Pretty much says how he feels although he went into the spin afterwards.

Mike
10.2.16, 1:57 PM
Wow! Love that quote from Weld. Amazing, honest admission.

Catstrack
10.3.16, 2:18 AM
I feel for Weld. He seems to be an OK guy, but maybe knows now he bit off more than he could chew by accepting Johnson's bid of VP.

Another startling statement by (of all people!!) on Meet the Press today.....Glenn Beck! Saying he's been warning of far right wing (Nazi-like) extremist staged to over run the GOP and seize control...meaning someone like Trump.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/10/02/glenn-beck-on-the-right-i-warned-about-nazis-and-now-its-happening-in-america/